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Read the following quotes and respond to the subsequent questions.

on Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:03 pm
“For fantasy is true, of course. It isn’t factual, but it is true. Children know that. Adults know it too, and that is precisely why many of them are afraid of fantasy. They know that its truth challenges, even threatens, all that is false, all that is phony, unnecessary, and trivial in the life they have let themselves be forced into living. They are afraid of dragons, because they are afraid of freedom.”

By Ursula K. Le Guin

"The Monsters and the Critics,"
J. R. R. Tolkien spoke in praise of dragons:

"Whatever may be his origins ... the dragon in legend is ... richer in significance than his barrow is in gold."

Do you agree with Tolkien and Le Guin?

In your experience, do adults tend to dismiss fantasy as childish or escapist?

Prompt: What sense does it make to say that dragons, gorgons, and enchanted rings are "significant" or "true"?


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on Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:49 pm
Fantasies are undoubtedly fairy tales, fake stories. But they indeed has some lessons. Each character in a fantasy means something, symbols a figure. Which children can directly learn what does the story trying to say. When they go older, they know the story itself is fake. But the lesson it tries to teach is definitely true. The characters in fantasy-dragons, gorgons, and enchanted rings-mean something for its readers who can easily connected characters to the people around them. I think that why some of the readers think these characters are true. Like the quote from Le Guin “they are afraid of dragons, because they are afraid of freedom.” I totally argue with that. It’s our own so called rationality limits our imagination. Truth is a relative term; everyone can have a different interpretation of the word “ truth”. Like all world famous scientists said “ I am standing in front of the gate of truth, but it’s my rationality which questions the things on the other side of door is the truth.” In western cultures, dragon means greed, something bad. So there are tons of fairy tales which talk about a dragon guards its treasure and the warriors come to kill the dragon and take the treasure. In my opinion, I think the guardian is more important than the gold in this case. For example, a knight died for protecting the princess, people will all remember the noble thing the knight did instead of the princess herself. That’s why I agree with what Tolkien said “the dragon is richer in significance than his barrow is ion gold.” We know dragons are fake, science tells us that. But the meaning it represents is true. There is no science can verify soul exists. But we as people just believe it exists. A Nazi educator named Paul Goebbels once said “ Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.”
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on Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:00 pm
Fantasies are things you imagine, it can only keep in our mind, dream could be fantasy, because it’s you illusion and it’s not real, but some fantasy in the story does include important lesson, each character’s personality can be a symbol of an idea, or foreshadowing things. During the childhood, we read these story, as we become older and older, we will start to understand that things that talk about in the story aren’t real, it just want to express ideas to people, use a story to teach a lesson. Each of us have different interpretation of “true” and “significant”, even though there is a definition of these words, because we mankind are individual, the way how we understand the definition is different. It makes me to drought the quote given by Ursula K. Le Guin, “They are afraid of dragons, because they are afraid of freedom.” The freedom she speaks of is that of the imagination, the ability to believe in things you know not to be real. This quote gives me a feeling that it’s limiting our fantasy, just because they are afraid of dragon. For dragon, in Chinese culture, it means the symbol of peace and propitious, but in Western culture, it doesn’t mean the same, it means demon Satan, the symbol of evil and violence. It’s not real, but it is a significant. Western people is afraid of dragon, that is the reason why there are lot of the fairy tales talk dragon being a guards its gold and worrier have to beat the dragon and get the goal, but at this point, dragon is more important, just like what J. R. R. Tolkien said Whatever may be his origins ... the dragon in legend is ... richer in significance than his barrow is in gold. The gold can only represent the award, but the dragon, beaten by the worrier, represent way more than the gold because the death of dragon could represent the justice win. Even though the dragon doesn’t physically exist, we all know that, in our mind, it’s true. If we think it is true, the quote can be define as true, make us afraid to think of dragon, which live in our mind. We are the only one to decide our own understanding of dragon, exist or not, because we believe what we believe.
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on Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:30 am
In our common understanding, fairy tales are told to children and they are all made up of things, but I thought it is not, things are not made just randomly.The reason why fairy tales are loved by children is because children’s mind follow the form of the text, the purpose unconsciously.The questions raised by fairy tales are all life issues that all generations of people are faced with: fear, death, injustice, despair, entering adulthood from childhood, finding the one in your life, and pursuing the meaning of life.Fairy tales are much more meaningful, comprehensive, and more profound than literacy textbooks.Also more real than the "reality."Why is that?We all have to face some difficulties in our life, but the only difference is whether you take it seriously or not, just like Ursula K. Le Guinsaid ''They are afraid of dragons, because they are afraid of freedom.”We have to face the problem when it's coming. Stopped by our own dragon inside only make the situation worse.Limitation only happen in your imagination,why the character in the story always defeat the monster and win,most of people think it is just an story,using that to comfort yourself when you couldn't solve the problem,but in the reality,there is really few things you couldn't achieve in your life,you are just caged by your inside dragon."The Monsters and the Critics"J. R. Tolkien spoke in praise of dragons, we know the monster doesn't exist, but critics are. Critics job is to criticize others, those people who have been judged by doing something live in the fear of critics.Same dragon, it terrifies people by itsby its appearance and rural story.In the old days, people didn't know whether it is existing, they can deicide to believe the story or not, living in the fear of the dragon or live peace, but now we know the dragon story is faked.Just like what critics said others, you can decide to believe it or not, you can strike back by doing something.You have the chance to define what is true.What Tolkien and Le Guin said "Whatever may be his origins... the dragon in legend is... richer in significance than his barrow is in gold."Dragon is symbolized of evil greed and the fear inside, the gold is just a thing.Dragon has more symbolic meaning than gold.In my experience, most of the adults in china do tend to dismiss fantasy as childish, because what I found, there is really a few parents are still kept telling a story to children, which instead are paid or other electronic device.


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on Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:53 am
Dragons, gorgons and enchanted rings are fantasies. They are the stories told to kids to let them fall asleep faster. They definitely are. Undoubtedly, these are all imaginary and none of them had truly existed in the history. But while we are denying the authenticity of these fantasies, have we ever think about why they are created at first? These stories were not telling to the kids at the beginning, they were stories for adults, they can’t be meaningless but only interesting. Dragons and magical items may not be factual, but they are true and significant. Most people in ancient time where writing is not existed were not smart. They can’t really understand the world around them and the right and wrong. But there were also wise people, some of them are old enough to be able look through the surface; some of them were just clever and think more. They want to be a teacher, to civilized them. But they will not listen to “teaching” because they cannot understand, these wise people need to use some tools to force them. The tool can be religion, and also can be Myths, the story of Dragons, gorgons and enchanted rings. The wise people want to frighten them to make them believed. The reason why there is dragon is not to encourage these foolish people to find the imaginary magical creature and conquer it for the gold. The gold barrow is not the point, but the lessons of don’t be greedy behind the legends of dragon is much more important. The ancient wise people put these lessons, or we can say the fundamental truth and virtues in these fantasies to be able to civilized normal people. And the interesting thing is, we are stilling using these fantasies in the original way. Of course, adult now are almost too civilized to be taught by stories. Therefore, we use these fantasies to teach babies and kids, the barbaric human being.
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on Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:53 pm
Fantasy is a genre of fiction that often doesn’t include settings, characters and events in the real world. Even though so, this doesn't keep fantasies from drawing resemblances from the real world. After reading Tolkien and Le Guin's quotes, I quite agree with what they are trying to say. As we grow up, we find out that the fairy tales and fantasies we hear as bedtime stories aren’t real, that they don’t exist in real life. However, there must be a reason why the stories are still spread nowadays. They often act as a mirror to the real society. Just as Le Guin’s quote: “… the dragon in legend is ... richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” It is because fantasies aren’t just childish, they could metaphorically assess people’s mental and physical structures. The plots relate to conflicts within an individual or the society. With the story, authors can provide a ‘real’ suggestion or solution.
Fantasies also serve as a blank page for us to draw. Tolkien quotes: “They know that its truth challenges, even threatens, all that is false…” Sometimes people read fantasies to relax, however, it isn’t always an act of escape or an action of a child. People can read just the plot and get relaxation, but they can also dig deep into its symbolic meanings. There are truths in these fantasies that people either can’t see or aren’t seeing in the society. Tolkien quotes: “People are afraid of dragons, because they are afraid of freedom.” In fantasies, there is the ‘freedom of think and speech’, the freedom to symbolize things that people avoid with made-up characters that aren’t encountered before. With fantasies they could assess problems without needing to directly referring to particular person or event in real life. Moreover, in real life, there would be much more restrictions, in fantasies people would be able to freely imagine. Throughout time fantasies have be told and taught to the young to imagine and think, and have also given grown-ups another way to think deeply about ideas.
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on Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:16 pm
I do agree with the two quotes said by Tolkien and Guin. Although fantasy is artificial, there are good and important lessons to learned. The authors use fantasy to make the lesson more impressive and easier to remember, while revealing the darkness of humanity gently. In my opinion adults did not dismiss fantasy intentionally, they are just chain by the stressful life, which cause them to lose their imagination and creativity. When people grown up, the reality force them to spend time on surviving skill. Instead of dreams and challenges, almost everyone tries to find a way that is the least arduous and the most beneficial method to fend for themselves. Most adults in the middle of the surviving pyramid would not try to challenge the dragon because instead of the risking for a good reputation most people want a stable life. Adults are afraid of the dramatic fantasy would lead them to dream (with risks of losing the stability of life) and this connected the quote said “trivial in the life they have let themselves be forced into living. They are afraid of dragons, because they are afraid of freedom”. On the other hand, the dragons, gorgons, and rings are magical creatures and items in fantasy of a great number. According to my personal understanding, the dragon is a challenge with a high risk that could bring great reputation if you chose to challenge and conquered it successfully. Gorgons are the temptation or people that lead the others to follow their desire and take the wrong turning in their life. Enchanted ring works like the desire of human, once you take a chance to fulfilled/satisfy you desire, you will find the greed and desire is endless. But once people have a dream, an objective to work for, you will find freedom in your mental world.
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